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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:07 pm 
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I'll try to keep this quick, but having read through many threads on here I'm still no closer to knowing where I stand with this car. It basically has a sticky/stiff/notchy gear change - very much so in first and second. First engages when stopped as expected, but change up to second is stiff and makes a loud clunking noise. Same symptoms changing down.

To resolve this problem here is what I have done:

* Change the gearbox oil to the Comma mineral oil sold in the club shop.
* Changed the entire gear linkage and gear selector unit (inside of the cabin) to one from a 2014 Toyota Aygo.
* Change the gearbox to one from a 2010 Citroen C1 which only had around 48K miles.

The result after each stage being exactly no difference. The most disheartening came after spending all of Saturday changing the gearbox to no avail. Just to add, the car had a 190mm clutch fitted around 10k miles ago and the clutch is properly adjusted - in fact, removing all free play from the pedal makes zero difference. (It's left with ~20mm free play.)

Now, is this normal for these cars - I have never driven another but can't imagine they are all like this - and should I just give up now and accept this?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:08 pm 
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Mine was quite notchy always.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:12 pm 
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Thanks that's good to hear. The main reason I went ahead and did this was that I may sell the car soon, so if this is generally normal then I'll go ahead and forget about it. (Minus the £150 or so I wasted!) I was just worried about selling a car which is broken.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:18 pm 
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Mine has got worse 1st to 2nd as the miles have built up, the car is now on 101000 and the change from 1st to 2nd is a bit notchy and sometimes noisy. Odd though that you have changed pretty much every mechanical part in the gearchange 'system' and it's still the same. As long as it changes gear I guess it can't be anything too serious. I find that if I change gear more carefully and a bit slower it is less noisy. I'm selling mine too so not worrying about it.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:56 pm 
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Just a quick update on this - I have managed to solve the problem at long last. I now have super smooth gear changes, can select first gear up to about 10mph and 2nd up to 30+mph. By select I mean smooth with no resistance from the stick.

I was a bit curious as to the straight 75W oil recommendation listed in the Haynes manual and so changed the oil for thinner 75w80 Total. The oils I've used are Triple QX 75w90 (don't know anything about it) then Comma 80w90 from the club shop. The viscosity of the Comma vs Total at 40 degrees Celsius is 132cSt vs 49Cst. Visually the Total is much thinner too, so I just suspect that I have been using thick oil all this time.

Anyhow I hope this helps somebody, I'll post an update sometime in the future to see if the gear change stays like this.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:01 pm 
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Amazing that such a small change would make such a massive difference

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:21 pm 
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Have you noticed any difference in getting reverse?

And on downshifting?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:23 pm 
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Oddly enough I have been experiencing problems with the gearshift since having a "full service" which included a gearbox oil change (local independent garage). I may try the Total oil...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:27 pm 
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I have also noticed this after having a full service at my local garage. Refuses to go to 1st above like 3mph, 2nd is also resistive. Really quite annoying, so I might have to try this.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:17 pm 
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My first and second gears a bit lumpy when its cold might give the box an oil change is it easy to do or a total pig like every other car iv done the gearbox oil on?


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