Citroen C1, Peugeot 107, 108 & Toyota Aygo Owners Club. (Discount code for CityBugStore: C1OC)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:15 pm 
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Just found this on Quora it's interesting if the link works. Have a read when you have time.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-unn ... srid=hhuMY

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:41 pm 
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Yeah, assuming that everything reported is accurate, it does seem about right.

Even on the BMW 118D M-Sport that I had a few years back I was surprised how little of the engine was accessible when I opened the bonnet.

I've also got a 2017 Mazda MX-5 and although the engine bay is still necessarily more crowded than on my sadly-missed 1973 Capri (which is sort of a similar style of car) I can easily access all the commonly needed regular maintenance items. So, on a completely invalid comparison of 1 German car and 1 Japanese one Japanese cars have far more accessible engine bays.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:37 pm 
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Good find, interesting read.

Talking of spark plugs reminds me of my Mondeo V6, front 3 plugs easy peasy, the 3 rear ones near bulk head although apparently do able, easier to do with manifold cover removed!!!, thankfully they platinum plugs lasting 60K.

Not owned any German cars, but we had a few VW based campervans over the years and thought they were quite cleverly designed/built, so maybe that's what all the sensible German engineers worked on!

My favourite recent design failure, was to check the pollen filter on our Peugeot Boxer campervan, where is it, behind the large centre glove box, which needed be completely removed, not just the lid, the whole thing!, torx screws and then to remove pollen filter cover more screws! After all that it was like new!
Our Peugeot 108 in comparison, easily accessible and cover just clips off, think the Toyota bods helped design that one!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:58 pm 
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Steve107 wrote:
Not owned any German cars, but we had a few VW based campervans over the years and thought they were quite cleverly designed/built, so maybe that's what all the sensible German engineers worked on!


I had a real VW Beetle (obviously the same basic mechanical layout as a campervan, but with less room in the engine bay) and I have to say that the spark plug change was one of the most awkward I've experienced (because of the lack of room I mentioned). The plugs towards the front of the car are very awkward to get a plug spanner on to. It's possible (did it several times) but some people swear by just dropping the engine to get access to the plugs. Me, I just swore as I grazed my knuckles over and over. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:40 pm 
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To be fair, we did have a VW T3 campervan with rear engine, but then few VW T4s with the front engine, which were a lot better and the main focus of my design praise! But saying that the VW T3 did travel all over Europe and was very reliable.

I did try to own an original VW Beetle back in the day as my first car, but all ones I went look at were a tad rusty!


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:14 am 
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It's definitely not a modern trend, on the original Mini (1956 design) there was a short water hose between the head and the block that if it failed needed the head to be removed to replace it. Fortunately, BMC responded reasonably quickly and released a concertina design hose that could be fitted without removing the head!

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I suppose most cars will have an awkward something-or-other that is difficult to work on. At least with the older cars you could actually see the engine when you opened the bonnet. :lol:


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Talking original Mini, didn't they have the distributor or alternator quite low down at front engine, so you had to be careful doing through even a few inches of water/puddles, as it would cut out :lol:

Agree about old cars having more space, our old Escort Mk2 had loads of room, cos it only had the smallest 1.1L engine, it was underpowered, but it was heavy car (all metal) compared to modern stuff.


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Steve107 wrote:
Talking original Mini, didn't they have the distributor or alternator quite low down at front engine, so you had to be careful doing through even a few inches of water/puddles, as it would cut out :lol:

Yes that's right, my brother's Mini Clubman (1972 vintage) got water in the distributor when he tried to drive through only about 4 inches (10cm) of water and had to be pushed out! Also they had a sheet of oiled cardboard clipped to the front of the engine to protect the distributor from water coming through the front grille.

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Talking about the Ford Escort a mate of mine needed help to change the clutch, no problem I said.
Dropped the prop shaft but we just couldn't get the gearbox to go back far enough for it to come out.
After about 2 hours struggling we stopped for a break.
He rung a friend with a garage, who said we must jack up the front of the engine about 3 to 4 inches then we will have the clearance.
It brought the engine down from the transmission tunnel and the transmission fell out. Clutch in fluid changed and bled, boy were we happy.


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