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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:26 am 
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kaliope wrote:
And do these two mean more or less the same? Is the second one correct/natural?

Do you even love her?
Do you love her at all?

I would say they are interchangeable.

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1. And does "twice more expensive" also sound terrible and incorrect"?

2. And are they interchangeable here?
-How did you even manage to this many doughnuts?
-How did you at all manage to this many doughnuts?


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kaliope wrote:
1. And does "twice more expensive" also sound terrible and incorrect"?

Yep!
I went to the Citroen dealer and the part cost twice as much!
I went to the Citroen dealer and the part was twice as / much more expensive!

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2. And are they interchangeable here?
-How did you even manage to this many doughnuts?
-How did you at all manage to this many doughnuts?

There's a verb missing!
How did you even manage to eat / carry / buy this many doughnuts?
How did you manage to eat / carry / buy this many doughnuts at all?

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PetrolDave wrote:
kaliope wrote:
And do these two mean more or less the same? Is the second one correct/natural?
Do you even love her?
Do you love her at all?

I would say they are interchangeable.

I would agree - in as much as they could generally be used to mean exactly the same thing; however, I think that there could also be a subtle difference.

It's the "at all" bit that could be used to make the two have a subtle difference. That, to me, implies that there is some expectation that there should be some love (e.g. a relationship that has slowly failed that everyone though was good until some incident or other happened). "You haven't seen your girlfriend for weeks now and I heard you bad-mouthing her last night. Do you love her at all?" Whereas the other sentence is, perhaps, a bit more black and white (love or no love) and would be more likely in a situation where the answer was something like "no way, it was just about the sex".


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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kaliope wrote:
1. And does "twice more expensive" also sound terrible and incorrect"?

I think the problem here is that it's confusing two mathematical ideas.

"More" is a difference and a relative term.
"Twice" is a multiplication and a value in itself.

So, if a thing normally costs £10 but somewhere is charging £30 for it, it is costs three times its normal price, but it costs more by twice its original value. (Or, in percentage terms, it costs 300% of its original value or the price is greater (more) by 200%.)

Twice as expensive means that the above item would cost £20.

Twice more expensive doesn't really make sense but the listener might interpret it to mean the item cost £20 or £30 depending on the meaning that they understand from the statement.


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Would these work when speaking about an inflatable standboard?

A: What happened to this standboard?
B: I don't know. It just went down/deflated/let down overnight.
A: I see. Can you pump it back up? /Can you blow it back up? /Can you inflate it again?


And do these both sound natural?

-Could you let down this mattress?
-Could you let the air out? (And I'm handing someone a mattress)


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kaliope wrote:
Would these work when speaking about an inflatable standboard?

A: What happened to this standboard?
B: I don't know. It just went down/deflated/let down overnight.
A: I see. Can you pump it back up? /Can you blow it back up? /Can you inflate it again?


And do these both sound natural?

-Could you let down this mattress?
-Could you let the air out? (And I'm handing someone a mattress)

Not sure about the term "standboard" - I presume you mean a board that someone would stand on while on water? Google seems confused by the word as well?

I wouldn't use the "let down" option in the second standboard one as that implies someone deliberately let the air out, and in the third one I think it would be unreasonable to expect someone to "blow it back up"!

Both the mattress ones seem OK to me.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Yeah, this is a standboard https://www.google.com/search?q=standbo ... LaCbKdKqUM


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Following your link, I'm still not sure what a standboard is:
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And I have no idea what connects all of thiose images either. :?:

The Polish word is "swimming" right? (I can't actually type in the word because every time I do I get an error when I try to post "Incorrect string value: '\xC5\x82ywan...' for column 'post_text' at row 1 [1366]". I guess the board doesn't support extended characters.


Anyway, I agree with Dave. "Let down" implies that someone deliberately did it. "Deflated" is a little bit formal (i.e. technically correct but perhaps less likely to be said than the more informal "went down".

Someone might use the more mechanical "some of the air escaped" too.

Instead of "pump it back up/blow it back up" you could also use "pump it up again/blow it up again".

"blow it up" might often imply a person physically using a hand pump or using air from their lungs - but not necessarily (e.g. I'm pretty sure I recently asked my friend to blow up his air mattress and I know that it has an electronic pump).

Of course, to "blow [something] up" can also me to explode it.

Deflated can also be used to describe an emotional state
"You look a bit down today. Didn't you enjoy the party last night?"
"Yeah, I'm just feeling a bit deflated now that everyone has gone home."

And to "let down" can also mean "to disappoint" in some way.

"There's a joke about the balloon boy who has a balloon mum and a balloon dad and he goes to a balloon school with balloon friends and a balloon principal. And one day, the balloon boy decides to take a pin to his balloon school, which is, of course, a disaster. And he's called into the balloon principal's office, and the balloon principal tells him, 'You've let me down, you've let your school down, you've let your parents down, you've let your friends down. But most importantly you've let yourself down'."
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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


Now, do you differentiate between 'any more' and 'anymore' like AE?

"I don't need any more books as I don't read anymore."


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