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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:33 pm 
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Do these three work? I guess the third doesn't, or does it?

My dad is as brave as a lion.
My dad is brave like a lion.
My dad is brave as a lion.

The 1st one is best. The 2nd one makes sense but wouldn't be as commonly used. The 3rd one doesn't quite make sense; due to the syntax I think.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:30 pm 
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And does 'remember' fit in these examples? I guess it does in the second, but not in the first.

1. Today I lost my cell phone when we hung together, would you please recall/remember where I left my phone?

2. Do you recall/remember where I left my phone?


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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kaliope wrote:
And does 'remember' fit in these examples? I guess it does in the second, but not in the first.

1. Today I lost my cell phone when we hung together, would you please recall/remember where I left my phone?

2. Do you recall/remember where I left my phone?

Remember fits much better than recall in both those.

BTW IMHO the first one should be 'Today I lost my MOBILE when we hung OUT together, CAN YOU remember where I left my phone?'

For three reasons:
1) 'cell phone' is AE, 'mobile' is BE
2) People don't 'hang together' (unless they want to kill themselves!), they 'hang out together'
3) 'would you please' is far too formal, 'can you' is much more likely to be said

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:19 pm 
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Interesting side note on "hung":

Hung is the past tense of to hang when it means "to suspend" a thing.
John hung the picture on the wall.

Hanged is the past tense of to hang when it means "to kill someone by hanging."
John hanged the murderer yesterday.

Let's assume John is an executioner. ;)

It's interesting that the word is conditional on what you were hanging, but only in the past tense.

Are you going to hang the painting and the murderer?

I already did; I hung the painting and hanged the murderer.

If a person is hung (more commonly, well hung) it is a euphemism meaning that he has a large... "manhood". (Applies to other animals too, and similies - "he was hung like a horse".) However, a "well hung pheasant" doesn't have a big penis (or probably a penis at all - most bird species don't). It means it was hung up after it was dead for a few days to improve the quality of the meat (done with many meat types).


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:44 pm 
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This guy has left the shop with a shopping trolley and is looking for his car, not remembering where he parked it. And he says to himself "Where did I park the car? I have parked over there."

Now, I find that mixture of tenses kind of weird. Why didn't he used two Simple Past's or two Present Perfect's? Parking took place before shopping so it is a completed action from the past, isn't? On the other hand there is some kind of reference to the present as he might be concerned, not finding the car easily. What do you think? What tenses would you pick?

Could I say
Where did I park the car? I parked over there.
or
Where have I parked the car? I have parked over there.

Have a listen at 14:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQSvO2nAQ-E&t=183s


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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It sounds to me more like he says "Where did I park? Ah yeah, I parked over there." The whole thing is a bit weird because he is giving a running commentary on his life in a way that people don't generally do but what he says about the car doesn't seem particularly unusual to me.

He does need to get the rear arch in his car sorted out though.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:51 am 
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Enjay wrote:
what he says about the car doesn't seem particularly unusual to me.

I agree, I can hear myself having said something identical many, many times.

The thing about English is that the use of tenses is very relaxed so it's not something to get concerned about.

I always remember what my Elfglish Language teacher taught me, the first rule of English is to ignore all the other rules :D

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:34 am 
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1. So you would also use two simple past's in that context, that is, "Where did I.... Oh, I parked..." rather than "Where have I ..... Oh I've parked...", right?


2. Another dilemma as for the tense choice. He notices a key on the ground, picks it up and says "Hey, look, I found someone's key". Now, why did he use the simple past? Isn't it an exemplary context for the Present Perfect? Wouldn't you say "I've found someone's key"?

have a listen at 3:20
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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:31 am 
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I don't know why, but both "have" examples sound less natural to me.

I don't think I would ever say "where have I parked..." (always where did I park...) but I would say "where have you parked..." (but where did you park also works).

Likely scenarios for the difference? I think the "have" version would be more likely if the conversation was about meeting the person and trying to figure out a convenient meeting place (by 'phone or something):
"Where have you parked? Oh, in that case I'll just meet you there."

As opposed to having already met the person and them maybe planning to go to their car.
"Where did you park? Oh, that's a bit far. My car is just around the corner; we'll take that."

The key one is less clear cut in my opinion. I think that the two are almost interchangeable in regular conversational use. I would probably say "I found..." but "I've found..." doesn't sound weird either.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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And how about this tense choice dilemma in the same video. He was driving and filming, with the camera fitted to the dash. Suddenly the camera fell off the dash with him reacting rapidly, that is, he caught it right away before it fell on the floor. And the very moment he was catching the camera, he said "Whoa! My camera fell" . Shouldn't we say "My camera's fallen"? in such context?

Have a listen at 2:36
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