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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:35 pm 
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kaliope wrote:
Which of these work? Say I see some slogan on a plastic bag like the guy in the pic.

1. What does the bag say?
2. What does it say on the bag?
3. What does the bag read?
4. What does it read on the bag?
5. What is written on the bag?
6. What is printed on the bag?

1 or 2 would be the most natural; 3 & 4 definitely wouldn't be used; 5 would be very unusual; 6 wouldn't be commonly used

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If I see a sign in the street and don't understand can I also use the first two versions, i.e.,

1. What does the sign say?
2. What does it say on the sign?

And why not 'read'? I come across sentences like "it reads...."


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I'm not sure that "read" is wrong, it just sounds odd and is in far less common use in my experience. I'm sure that I have heard it used though.

In a different setting "read" would be fairly common - e.g. when checking a meter of some sort "what does the electricity meter read?", "what does the thermometer read?" etc. However, "what is the reading on the [electricity] meter might sound more natural. Perhaps the difference is that those examples are seeking a measurement of some sort (or because the device is kind of doing the reading) as opposed to imparting information via a sentence of some sort (like instructions on a bag or whatever might).


Both 1 and 2 (about the sign) sound fine though.


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Enjay wrote:
I'm not sure that "read" is wrong, it just sounds odd and is in far less common use in my experience. I'm sure that I have heard it used though.

In a different setting "read" would be fairly common - e.g. when checking a meter of some sort "what does the electricity meter read?", "what does the thermometer read?" etc. However, "what is the reading on the [electricity] meter might sound more natural. Perhaps the difference is that those examples are seeking a measurement of some sort (or because the device is kind of doing the reading) as opposed to imparting information via a sentence of some sort (like instructions on a bag or whatever might).


Both 1 and 2 (about the sign) sound fine though.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Would you pick "had" or "did" here?

-Tom boasted he had bought a house in LA and, in fact, he had.
-Tom boasted he had bought a house in LA and, in fact, he did.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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kaliope wrote:
Would you pick "had" or "did" here?

-Tom boasted he had bought a house in LA and, in fact, he had.
-Tom boasted he had bought a house in LA and, in fact, he did.

If he had very recently bought the house I would tend to use "did" in preference, but both would be natural IMHO.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Yup, both sound natural enough to me. I might tend towards "had" personally in that sentence. If, however, it had the structure Tom boasted that he was going to buy a house in LA and, in fact... it would need to be "he did" I think.


I don't know about anyone else, but in that sentence, when speaking I'd also tend to use the contraction he'd at the start

Tom boasted he'd bought a house in LA and, in fact, he had/did.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Enjay wrote:
I don't know about anyone else, but in that sentence, when speaking I'd also tend to use the contraction he'd at the start

Tom boasted he'd bought a house in LA and, in fact, he had/did.

I agree, contractions such as "he'd" are more often used than the full form - which feels like it makes the conversation less formal.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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I watched a video where an American living in Poland said that Poles use 'super' incorrectly. We, in Polish, use it a lot, but we never modify adjectives. We just describe things or people saying e.g. "It was super." So he appealed to use 'super' only in front of adjectives like "It was super important". And now I see these two dictionary examples where 'super' is used just like we do it in Polish.

"Did you enjoy the film?" "Yes, I thought it was super."
"That sounds super."

Do those example sound natural/correct to your ears?


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Yeah, I've heard people say that. Using it as a replacement for something like "great", "wonderful", "marvellous" etc works (but is perhaps less common these days, or maybe just where I live). It can also be used in answer to

Q:"How are you today?"
A: "Super!"

Usually said by that very (and annoyingly?) enthusiastic person at work, or the very sarcastic one. :lol:


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