Citroen C1, Peugeot 107, 108 & Toyota Aygo Owners Club. (Discount code for CityBugStore: C1OC)

It is currently Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:23 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 799 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:41 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 7:29 pm
Posts: 1565
Location: South Molton
Drives: 2008 Citroen C1 Code
kaliope wrote:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


Now, do you differentiate between 'any more' and 'anymore' like AE?

"I don't need any more books as I don't read anymore."

grammarly wrote:
When spelled as two words, any more refers to quantities. ...
When spelled as one word, anymore is an adverb that refers to time. It means “at present,” “still,” or “any longer.”

_________________
2008 C1 Code 1.0 I3 petrol
2015 Skoda Octavia 1.4TSI Elegance estate


Sadly missed - 2006 Audi RS4 Avant


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:56 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1133
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
How about these? Do they work and mean the same?

1. I don't cook cakes anymore as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
2. I no longer cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
3. I don't cook cakes any longer as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
4. At present I don't cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
5. These days I don't cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
6. Nowadays I don't cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:11 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 7:29 pm
Posts: 1565
Location: South Molton
Drives: 2008 Citroen C1 Code
kaliope wrote:
How about these? Do they work and mean the same?

1. I don't cook cakes anymore as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
2. I no longer cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
3. I don't cook cakes any longer as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
4. At present I don't cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
5. These days I don't cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.
6. Nowadays I don't cook cakes as it occurred recently I'm on my way to diabeties.

The biggest problem I have with those is this part "it occurred recently" which makes all of them very unnatural, I would replace that with "I was recently told" or similar.

With that change made I could see all of them except 4 being OK, personallyI would use 2.

_________________
2008 C1 Code 1.0 I3 petrol
2015 Skoda Octavia 1.4TSI Elegance estate


Sadly missed - 2006 Audi RS4 Avant


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:58 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:59 pm
Posts: 1322
Location: Aberdeenshire
Drives: C1 2012; 107 2009
I might also tend to substitute "I'm on my way to diabetes" with something more like "I'm at risk of diabetes" or similar but, basically, yes, I agree with Dave.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:38 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1133
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
Thanks guys.

What might be the difference between these?

When you hear her laughter/laugh, you start laughing as well. It is very contagious.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:48 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 7:29 pm
Posts: 1565
Location: South Molton
Drives: 2008 Citroen C1 Code
kaliope wrote:
Thanks guys.

What might be the difference between these?

When you hear her laughter/laugh, you start laughing as well. It is very contagious.

"laugh" would be more natural or you could use "laughing", "laughter" wouldn't be wrong just unusual.

_________________
2008 C1 Code 1.0 I3 petrol
2015 Skoda Octavia 1.4TSI Elegance estate


Sadly missed - 2006 Audi RS4 Avant


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:36 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:59 pm
Posts: 1322
Location: Aberdeenshire
Drives: C1 2012; 107 2009
Again, agreed. There is, potentially, a subtle difference though.

In the example sentence, "laugh" and "laughter" both seem to be the noun version of the word and are interchangeable, with the qualifications that Dave mentioned. Neither is wrong but "laugh" is more likely (as Dave said). I think "laughter" might just be a bit more old fashioned.

However, more generally, "hearing her laugh" could refer to hearing her carrying out the act of laughing or hearing the sound that she is making (I know that these would essentially amount to the same thing). So, depending on context, it can be a verb or a noun. "Her laugh" could be the quite specific sound an individual person's laugh makes (as it was in the example). When referring to the verb form "hear her laugh" just means you know that she is laughing because you can hear her. The emphasis is more likely to be on the idea that you know the act of laughing is happening because it's making a sound, rather than talking about the specific sound of a person's laugh. As ever, context makes a difference.

"Hearing her laughter" - phrased like that - would only refer to the sound. "Laughter" is a noun and never a verb.

So, someone visiting an old house where a deceased relative used to live could say something like "I can still hear her laughter echoing through the corridors". They could also use "laugh" there. In both cases they would be referring to the sound that the laugh made. [noun]

If someone was hiding and gave their position away by laughing, someone might say "I knew that she was there because I heard her laugh." They could be referring to the specific sound of the laugh again, but I think it would be more likely that they were simply referring to the fact that they heard her in the act of laughing. [verb]

And finally, "laughter" can just refer to the more general sound of people laughing. "I could hear laughter coming from the pub." [noun] The verb would be "I could hear people laughing in the pub."

@anyone, please feel free to correct me - I'm not always fully confident on parts of speech.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:02 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1133
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
It is really hard for non-natives. We have one noun for yours two. How about these? Does either work?

-Doctors say laughter can get you out of your diseases.
-Doctors say a laugh can get you out of your diseases.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:46 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:59 pm
Posts: 1322
Location: Aberdeenshire
Drives: C1 2012; 107 2009
Both sound weird. "out of your diseases" just sounds wrong.

There is an English expression "laughter is the best medicine" which would probably cover the meaning that you are going for with those sentences. It's commonly used, so it wouldn't sound weird and its meaning should be clear enough to most people.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:50 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1133
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
How about these pairs?

1.
-Do you like her laughter? It annoys me a lot.
-Do you like her laugh? It annoys me a lot.


2.
-I suggested we buy a new car, but he just responded with a laugh.
-I suggested we buy a new car, but he just responded with laughter.


3.
-When I was still there, I heard her laugh every day.
-When I was still there, I heard her laughter every day.

4.
-You could hear pleasant laughter coming from that room.
-You could hear a pleasant laugh coming form that room.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 799 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group