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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:54 am 
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kaliope wrote:
"I won’t be needing the stove to make cookies, but I‘ll be needing the oven," said a Canadian in a video on how to make cookies.

Now, grammar books say 'need' can't be used in the continuous form. Why did he use it? Is it natural to say so? Shouldn't he have rather used the simple forms, that is, "I won’t need the stove to make cookies, but I‘ll need the oven"?


It's not unusual to hear that form of grammar used but personally I would use:

"I don't need the stove to make cookies, I need the oven" which seems far more natural to me (and shorter).

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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When we express irritation, we use the Present Continuous tense despite using 'always'.
For example:
-We always start at nine. (neutral)
-We are always starting at nine (irritation)

Now, can I use the continuous form with stative verbs that don't take the -ing ending to express irritation? For example:

-You are always needing my computer when I'm using it!
-You are always wanting something from me!


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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-You are always needing my computer when I'm using it!
-You are always wanting something from me!

For me, those are much the same as the previous question.

I would say:
-You always need my computer when I'm using it!
-You always want something from me!

but the "ing" versions would not be a surprise to me if someone said it.


kaliope wrote:
-We are always starting at nine (irritation)

I have to say that without more (and possibly quite specific) context, that one sounds odd to me.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Do these four sound natural?



1. Did he let you know whether he had bought that car or not?
2. Did he let you know whether or not he had bought that car?
3. Did he let you know if he had bought that car?
4. Did he let you know if he had bought that car or not?


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:14 am 
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kaliope wrote:
Do these four sound natural?

1. Did he let you know whether he had bought that car or not?
2. Did he let you know whether or not he had bought that car?
3. Did he let you know if he had bought that car?
4. Did he let you know if he had bought that car or not?

I would most likely use 3, all the forms with or not are unnecessarily verbose IMHO.

I might also use a truncated form of 1:
1a. Did he let you know whether he had bought that car?

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Can you tell me what he says at 0:43 "All right we.......to the market." The logic tells me it should be "we made it to the market", yet I can hear an [r] sound there. Or is it me just me?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwuedk7eAms


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Sounds like he said "Right, we made it to the market"

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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I think he does say "All right we made it to the market" but there is a slight hint of an additional sound in there. He probably just made an error - like he briefly thought about something else to say and semi vocalised it, or something.


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1. Another BE speaker told me "I hear it as "Alright, we've made it to the market"

2. Are 'by far' and 'definitely' interchangeable and mean the same thing?

-This is by far the best car I've driven.
-This is definitely the best car I've driven.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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kaliope wrote:
Are 'by far' and 'definitely' interchangeable and mean the same thing?

-This is by far the best car I've driven.
-This is definitely the best car I've driven.

In that context yes they mean the same thing IMHO, but they are not interchangeable e.g. you can say "I'm definitely OK with that" but you couldn't say "I'm by far OK with that".

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