Citroen C1, Peugeot 107, 108 & Toyota Aygo Owners Club. (Discount code for CityBugStore: C1OC)

It is currently Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:41 am

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 904 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48 ... 91  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:56 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1176
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
Can you tell me what kind of a difference you sense in these examples?

You don't have to do that.
You needn't do that.

I don't have to do that.
I needn't do that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:40 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:59 pm
Posts: 1346
Location: Aberdeenshire
Drives: C1 2012; 107 2009
I think, perhaps, the "needn't" examples might be a little more old fashioned or formal, and I would tend to use the "don't" options, but none of the above sentences seem particularly odd to me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:27 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:59 pm
Posts: 131
Location: Bonnie Scotland
Drives: 2011 C1 VTR+
"I/You don't have to..." has a more positive spin in my opinion, as if a task or expectation isn't required. ie You don't have to load the dishwasher as John did it; or I don't have to trace any wiring as the fuse has blown.

"I/You needn't..." I feel has a negative spin, as if a task or course of action is futile. ie You needn't try that trick, it won't work on me; or I needn't fix the clutch as the engine has seized. :shock: :lol:

I agree that "needn't" sounds more old-fashioned or formal.

W

_________________
2011 C1 VTR+ in red
ATOTO Android head unit
TPMS & OBD monitor
Euralight LED DRL


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:38 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1176
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
A: Boss, must I come to the tomorrow's board meeting? My son is ill and I need to take him to the doctor's.
B: Ok, you don't have to . vs. Ok, you needn't.

I guess AE speakers would say 'don't have to' as they don't use 'needn't', however grammar books say the negation of 'must' is 'needn't' in BE. So do BE speaker choose the latter option here? Does either work?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:11 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 7:29 pm
Posts: 1656
Location: South Molton, Devon
Drives: 2008 Citroen C1 Code
kaliope wrote:
A: Boss, must I come to the tomorrow's board meeting? My son is ill and I need to take him to the doctor's.
B: Ok, you don't have to . vs. Ok, you needn't.

I guess AE speakers would say 'don't have to' as they don't use 'needn't', however grammar books say the negation of 'must' is 'needn't' in BE. So do BE speaker choose the latter option here? Does either work?


First there is no need for 'the' in A.
As a native BE speaker I would always use "don't have to" in B. I would 100% disagree with the grammar books you have been looking at in this case.

_________________
2008 C1 Code 1.0 I3 petrol - soon to be replaced with a 2020 Aygo x-clusiv x-shift
2015 Skoda Octavia 1.4TSI Elegance estate

Sadly missed - 2006 Audi RS4 Avant


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:17 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1176
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
And in the question above asked to the boss, would you say 'must I come' or 'do I have to come'?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:37 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 7:29 pm
Posts: 1656
Location: South Molton, Devon
Drives: 2008 Citroen C1 Code
kaliope wrote:
And in the question above asked to the boss, would you say 'must I come' or 'do I have to come'?

Both OK IMHO but "do I have to come" sounds more natural to me.

_________________
2008 C1 Code 1.0 I3 petrol - soon to be replaced with a 2020 Aygo x-clusiv x-shift
2015 Skoda Octavia 1.4TSI Elegance estate

Sadly missed - 2006 Audi RS4 Avant


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:43 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1176
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
"Have you decorated the Christmas tree?"
"Is your Christmas tree up?

Are those two natural when we want to ask someone if they have already put up and decorated their Christmas tree?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:13 am 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:59 pm
Posts: 131
Location: Bonnie Scotland
Drives: 2011 C1 VTR+
They are both fine, although I'd be more likely to use "is your Christmas tree up?".

If you omitted "Christmas" from the first sentence it would imply that you were decorating an existing tree in the garden.

A: Is your Christmas tree up? = Have you bought/built your Christmas tree and decorated it?
B: Have you decorated the tree? = Have you been out in the garden and hung the string of lights on the tree?

W

_________________
2011 C1 VTR+ in red
ATOTO Android head unit
TPMS & OBD monitor
Euralight LED DRL


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:56 pm 
Offline
Full Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:28 pm
Posts: 1176
Location: Cracow, Poland
Drives: 107 & Zafira B
Do both examples work for you in the past and in the present?

-She was unhappy with her new car from/since day one.
-She has been unhappy with her new car from/since day one.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 904 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48 ... 91  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group