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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:13 am 
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kaliope wrote:
Yeah, I meant the soup has gone off. But how do I make it an adjective? Can I say:

"I poured that gone-off soup down the toilet"

I would probably say "The soup had gone off so I poured it down the toilet"

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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Do these to work and mean the same? Which is more natural? Do you really need a kicking violence to use the first example?

"I needed to kick the door open as I was holding the laundry."
"I needed to open the door with my foot as I was holding the laundry."


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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I think that there is a difference. "Kick" does imply more violence and sharp, rapid force being used to me. It doesn't necessarily mean a full-blown, hit-it-as-hard-as-you-can, kick but definitely a good strong "clonk" with the foot at least. The second could just be catching the door with your toe and swinging it open without an actual kick.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you say
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Enjay wrote:
I think that there is a difference. "Kick" does imply more violence and sharp, rapid force being used to me. It doesn't necessarily mean a full-blown, hit-it-as-hard-as-you-can, kick but definitely a good strong "clonk" with the foot at least. The second could just be catching the door with your toe and swinging it open without an actual kick.

Agree 100%

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If my son leaves lots of toys on the sofa, do I tell him to "clean up the toys" or "clean up the sofa"? Do I refer to the books or to the sofa or either is fine?


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If my son leaves lots of toys on the sofa, do I tell him to "clean up the toys" or "clean up the sofa"? Do I refer to the books or to the sofa or either is fine?

When we were recently staying with our grandson and in this situation, either his parents or us would tell him to "Tidy up his toys".

"Clean" doesn't seem right as that would suggest cleaning the toys themselves but not tidying the room/sofa by putting them away.

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And if there're books or other things scattered on the floor, can I say "Clean up the floor"? Or you would prefer "Tidy up the floor"?


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kaliope wrote:
And if there're books or other things scattered on the floor, can I say "Clean up the floor"? Or you would prefer "Tidy up the floor"?

Definitely "Tidy up" to pick up books etc. Clean up the floor would imply using a vacuum cleaner or mop to clean the actual floor.

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And with things scattered on the floor do these two mean the same?

Can you tidy up the floor?
Can you clear up the floor?


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Agreeing with everything Dave said.

With the last, I'd either say "tidy up the floor" or "clear the floor" (no up). Either might be followed by "I want everything away" to certain that the person I am speaking to knows I want a full tidy up.

A partial clearing might be "can you clear a space on the floor, I want to put the coffee table out" or something.


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