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 Post subject: New 2018 facelift model
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:18 pm 
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I think orders are starting next month.


The key changes are:

0.4 seconds faster 0-60 and slight higher mpg.
It has android auto/apple car play I think
Lane departure warning button on steering wheel
Voice command button next to touchscreen
£140 tax a year
Slight exterior changes (on the aygo, not sure of the c1/108)




Some info here:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/moto ... %C2%A39695


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:33 pm 
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Doombeast wrote:
The key changes are:

£140 tax a year


The £140 tax per year applies to any C1/108/Aygo registered after 1st April 2017 not just the 2018 facelift - because the Government changed the road tax system to a flat rate (after year 1 and assuming cost is less than £40,000), see https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-vehicle-tax-rates-from-1-april-2017

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:26 pm 
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£140 per year is an awful lot compared to my £0 per year for my 2012 C1. ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:19 pm 
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In Germany l pay 20 Euro, did it not used to be based on cc's in the uk?
I guess the best car to buy now to reduce the tax would be one registered March 2017.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:51 pm 
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brixtonboy wrote:
In Germany l pay 20 Euro, did it not used to be based on cc's in the uk?
I guess the best car to buy now to reduce the tax would be one registered March 2017.


Showing your age there Brixtonboy, this old duffer can remember that system as well :lol: , think it still used for cars older than 2001, our old Ford Fiesta 1989 fell into that bracket.

Also, funny you mention March 2017 registered cars, when my Big Sis got her used Peugeot 108 in May last year dealer had loads of 17 pre reg vehicles for sale, bit out her price range, but they had alot of other used 108s for sale, presume a lot peeps took opportunity to get a new 17 reg 108 with zero tax in March 2017 before our greedy government spoiled it all a month later.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:29 am 
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The only way they can have achieved a saving of 0.4 of a second is to change the gear ratios (probably upped the rev limiter too). 60mph must now be achievable in second gear.

Will have a look if/when my C1 eventually dies.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:10 am 
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brixtonboy wrote:
In Germany l pay 20 Euro, did it not used to be based on cc's in the uk?
I guess the best car to buy now to reduce the tax would be one registered March 2017.

Based on cc's until September 2001, then until March 2017 based on CO2 emission figures, now flat rate based on whether ZEV or hybrid.

The "tax take" based on emissions dropped too low as more people purchased low emission cars, so the Government changed the rules.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:15 pm 
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The whole electric cars are cleaner thing ticks me off somewhat. I'm not saying that the individual car is not cleaner, I'm not saying cities (etc) won't smell less, I'm not saying that they are not quieter and even the big picture once all factors are taken into consideration might be better (I honestly don't know). However, no one ever seems to mention that the electricity needed to charge them still has to come from somewhere - and that somewhere is usually a fossil fuel driven power station (in the UK at least). That part of the bigger picture seems to be conveniently forgotten about. So, if everyone just shifted to E vehicles overnight, a great deal of the fossil fuel burning would still have to happen and so the pollution would still be produced; it would merely be produced in a different location. (Not that we'd have enough capacity right now anyway.)

I'm going to miss the internal combustion engine driven car when it goes. I love everything about them.


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Enjay wrote:
So, if everyone just shifted to E vehicles overnight, a great deal of the fossil fuel burning would still have to happen and so the pollution would still be produced; it would merely be produced in a different location.

A recent independent study of the situation in the US concluded that because of they way they generate electricity if every US car was electric by 2022 the total pollution from power generation would be GREATER than if everyone continued to drive petrol vehicles that meet current emissions standards (and petrol emissions are getting lower all the time).

So we have to be careful that any switch to EVs doesn't actually generate more total pollution - albeit in different locations.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:57 am 
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I did wonder if that was the case. Cars, as you say, have been getting more and more efficient. I'm even getting almost 50mpg out of my 2litre MX5-RF when I use it for my daily commute (a bit less when I'm having fun ;) ). I think that the critical thing here is that it's only a single step from fuel to work. i.e. the car burns the fuel, the car moves (basically).

With e vehicles, there are additional steps. Even ignoring losses from "transporting" the electricity along power lines etc. (and I'm not forgetting that there are delivery implications for petrol too), the fuel is burned, converted to electricity that is then used to charge a battery, that is then drained to make the car move. No energy exchange system of these types is 100% efficient, so each step adds to the potential for energy loss. More steps; more energy loss; less efficiency; more pollution.


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